Michael Vick

[Cloud23465]

Ok, I dunno how many of you are follow the dog fighting case on this guy but the medias flooded in my are because he's from the same hampton roads area and the house that was held were all the dog fighting occured wasnt that far away either. I love dogs, Im not a peta person by any means though. After hearing all what this guy did to these dogs and he may loose carrier because if it. I say he deserves it an applaud the NFL for suspending him and the team that he played for is seeking $20 million back from him.

Celebrities and professional athletes think that there better then every everyone else and it makes me sick with what they get away with. Nothing more then slaps on the wrist from crime that if you and i commited would be thrown in jail for a long time. I hope this guy gets everything that he's got coming because someone that does something so barbaric to "mans best friend" just for entertainment is just sick!

[TransWarpDrive]

Cloud, I agree with you 100%. What Mr. Vick did was "sick and wrong" in the extreme, and you're right - he should be punished for it. If this ends his NFL career, well, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
I also agree with you that a lot of celebrities (actors, athletes, etc.) seem to be getting away with crimes that would put ordinary folks like you and me behind bars. That's mostly because they're rich, and can afford high-priced lawyers skilled at getting their clients off on technicalities or negotiating plea bargains. Even those that do get punished don't learn anything from it; look at how Lindsay Lohan got arrested twice this year for drunk driving: once in May, then again in July. And she's only going to serve one day in jail for her crimes! (Of course, Nicole Richie got sentenced to four days in jail and only served 82 minutes of that before being released, so how long will Lindsay really spend behind bars?)
IMHO, it's getting ridiculous - celebrities are only human, just like the rest of us. They should be treated the same as us in the judicial system, no matter how famous or wealthy they are.

[jeriddian]

It is true that his barbarity towards animals is nothing less than evil and cruel, and I agree he deserves to expelled from the NFL, at least in my book. But we shall see what happens.

[Cloud23465]

82 minutes? You sure she just wasn't locked up by mistake? Oh, I know maybe she got let out on good behaviour. What's even worse is some of these people have the nerve to say "oh, the cops are only messing with them because there celebrities or famous." Yes, that what it is... im sure of it. RIGHT. You keep thinking that...and i guess you think the earths flat and the sun revolves around the earth too huh?

[Cloud23465]

Wow! I dont believe one word this low life said. He made statements after he pled guilty. I find it ironic that he had all intentions to pleaing Not guilty untill his buddys turned tail on him. His voice and facial expression to me and the way he just acted and moved around says that he's just phony. Read his body language...and you'll see it. All he wants to do is everyone forgive him, slap him on the wrist and say dont to it again and just go on like nothing ever happend. Makes me sick! I look at my dog and think this guy cant have a consous to do what he did. I hope they throw the book at him and he looses everything in the NFL. He knew what he was doing was illegal and wrong so he should pay the price. :mad:

[Fireand'chutes77]

I hope they throw the book at him and he looses everything in the NFL. He knew what he was doing was illegal and wrong so he should pay the price. :mad:
Let 'im burn.... :ohwell:

My family and I have also been very skeptical about how he made a big show of promising to plead "not guilty....", and were vindicated when he essentially collapsed once his partners bailed out on him.



I also agree with you that a lot of celebrities (actors, athletes, etc.) seem to be getting away with crimes that would put ordinary folks like you and me behind bars. That's mostly because they're rich, and can afford high-priced lawyers skilled at getting their clients off on technicalities or negotiating plea bargains.


...Always see it on T.V.,
Or read in the magazines,
Celebrities who want sympathy.
All they do is p*ss and moan
Inside the Rolling Stone,
Talking 'bout how tough life can be!

I’d like to see them spend the week
Livin’ life out on the street
I don’t think they would survive!
If they could spend a day or two
Walkin' in someone else’s shoes,
I think they’d stumble and they’d fall
They would fall (faaaallllll)!

Lifestyles of the rich and the famous!
They’re always complaining,
always complainin'!
If money
Is such a problem,
Why they got mansions?!
...Think we should rob them (rob them)!

Did you know when you were famous,
You could kill your wife
And there’s no such thing as 25-to-life
As long as you’ve got the cash to pay for Cochran!
And did you know if you were caught and you were smoking crack,
McDonald’s wouldn’t even want to take you back,
You could always just run for mayor of D.C...!

- Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous
Good Charlotte

[Zephyr]

I think the thing that differentiates celebrities from your average Joe is the money. With their money, they can afford lawyers who know how to work the system; the better the work the system, the better they fair.

Sorry for the "duh" statement above.. ^

[Cloud23465]

My family and I have also been very skeptical about how he made a big show of promising to plead "not guilty....", and were vindicated when he essentially collapsed once his partners bailed out on him.


What about the piece where he said that if I did do beting and won though I never collected any money? So what makes it different if you did? Is that supposed to be a slate cleaner or something? Tell that to the poor dogs that were killed for your entertainment.

Whats really sad is our local news media is really sticking up for this scum. Mainly because our area is not known for producing Celebrities/star athletes. Our local media covers the city of Newport News, Va which is where Vicks home town is. I know Newport News is a very bad area and has the highest crime rate of the Citys that are near it. Thats what also made me sick is this one guy said "Oh, Vick came from da hood. Now there just trying to bring him back down because of what he did." Which from what he says sound like oh it's ok for him to do what he did because he came from a bad neighborhood. We all have to make choices, were you came from has nothing to do with it.
I hate to have to wait 'till december to see what this guys gets.

[Fireand'chutes77]

We all have to make choices, were you came from has nothing to do with it.
Very well put.


What about the piece where he said that if I did do beting and won though I never collected any money?

That sounds like OJ Simpson, seriously. :ohwell:

[kyojikasshu]

I was just watching the forum discussion on Jim Rome is Burning, and one of the panelists noted that, in all that Michael Vick said about "making a mistake", and "being immature", not once did he stand before the public and admit that he is, in fact, a criminal. As it was said, being immature is staying out after curfew when you're 15. Making a mistake is forgetting to pay a bill on time, once. Hell, I can even see where a DUI - one single time - can be a mistake.

But this was over six years. And, as also mentioned on that show, you don't do something like that for six years unless you get a sick pleasure out of it. Heck, there are a lot of things that a lot of people don't do for six years straight. So, the whole "mistake" thing, I refuse to buy. The immaturity part? There might be something there, but it's no excuse.

[Cloud23465]

I was just watching the forum discussion on Jim Rome is Burning, and one of the panelists noted that, in all that Michael Vick said about "making a mistake", and "being immature", not once did he stand before the public and admit that he is, in fact, a criminal. As it was said, being immature is staying out after curfew when you're 15. Making a mistake is forgetting to pay a bill on time, once. Hell, I can even see where a DUI - one single time - can be a mistake.

But this was over six years. And, as also mentioned on that show, you don't do something like that for six years unless you get a sick pleasure out of it. Heck, there are a lot of things that a lot of people don't do for six years straight. So, the whole "mistake" thing, I refuse to buy. The immaturity part? There might be something there, but it's no excuse.

Yeah, I think I was flipping channels and caught the same thing you did... 6 years... how sick i became to my stomach when I heard that. :mad:
immaturity? No... thats an understatement... Sick phyco... is more fitting and i've got other names for this guy... but ill keep them to myself.:angry:

[TransWarpDrive]

All we can do is wait and see what sentence Mr. Vick gets in December. Whether or not Vick actually learns from his misdeeds and reforms his ways as a result of prison is entirely up to him. Mr. Vick claims to have found God during this ordeal; well, if he has had a religious conversion, then hopefully it will help him steer his life in a more positive direction from now on.
Like I said: it's all up to Mr. Vick now. He has to make the right choices.

[Cloud23465]

Mr. Vick claims to have found God during this ordeal.

Boy, If I had dollar for every person that I've heard thats said that they've found God before having to go to jail or on death row... I'd be as rich as Bill Gates. But then again I never knew God ever went anywhere that he had to be found.:blink:

[canuck31003]

If I had dollar for every person that I've heard thats said that they've found God before having to go to jail or on death row
Yeah, it's a wonder that religious groups don't actively encourage people to break the law--and then get caught--in order to increase the number of believers. :P

I'm joking, of course. I hope M.Vick has and will change his behavior, whether the reason is from finding God or fear of further prosecution, or both.

[Cloud23465]

Michael Vick cancelled Tuesday's radio appearance on the syndicated radio program the "Tom Joyner Morning Show," the show announced just after going on the air at 6:00 a.m. Tuesday.

The show -- which airs on stations in Virginia -- was to include questions from callers.
The cancellation came a day after Vick pleaded guilty to a federal dogfighting conspiracy charge.
Speaking in a low voice Tuesday, the Newport News native responded to charges he sponsored a brutal dogfighting ring that killed dogs which performed poorly.

Attorneys for the fallen NFL star say he has wanted to speak -- but they didn't want him to say anything he might regret.

I'm so shock! Why not let us see the truth of what this guy really is and what he's really about? We already have a good idea, why not just confirm it?

[jeriddian]

You know the news people are going to drag it out for all its worth. We see him what he is. They just want to keep sticking it into our faces until interest flags enough, at which point they won't be making any money from it.:thumbdown:

[Cloud23465]

You know the news people are going to drag it out for all its worth. We see him what he is. They just want to keep sticking it into our faces until interest flags enough, at which point they won't be making any money from it.:thumbdown:

Oh no doubt about that. It will die out by November and then pick back up in December when the Judge hands down the sentence. But I really don't understand why in the world it takes almost 4 months to decide on a sentence for a guilty party:mad:. What, are they taking this long so they can give the guilty party time to offer a bribe the judge to make the sentence less severe?

[jeriddian]

No. No bribe. It's just how glutted the judicial system is. it takes that long to go through all the different motions, appeals, paperwork, red tape. It a monstrous problem. I have no doubt that the case will generate over 10,000 pages of documentation of one sort or another. That's just how slow the wheels of justice turn.:errr::dubiety:

[Cloud23465]

No. No bribe. It's just how glutted the judicial system is. it takes that long to go through all the different motions, appeals, paperwork, red tape. It a monstrous problem. I have no doubt that the case will generate over 10,000 pages of documentation of one sort or another. That's just how slow the wheels of justice turn.:errr::dubiety:

Yeah! Sound like a great waist of tax payers dollars (and paper). But then again if it was a nobody like you or me there's no way it would take that long... would it? I've heard that jurys may take a week or two to hand down sentences but thats mostly life or death sentences from what I remember.

[cpneb]

No. No bribe. It's just how glutted the judicial system is. it takes that long to go through all the different motions, appeals, paperwork, red tape. It a monstrous problem. I have no doubt that the case will generate over 10,000 pages of documentation of one sort or another. That's just how slow the wheels of justice turn.:errr::dubiety:

Yeah! Sound like a great waist of tax payers dollars (and paper). But then again if it was a nobody like you or me there's no way it would take that long... would it? I've heard that jurys may take a week or two to hand down sentences but thats mostly life or death sentences from what I remember.

The judge set the date for the sentencing this far out (in December, if I recall correctly) because he wants to see what Vick will do over the next few months while he's under public scrutiny: if he misbehaves, he'll have longer to think about his actions.

[Cloud23465]

No. No bribe. It's just how glutted the judicial system is. it takes that long to go through all the different motions, appeals, paperwork, red tape. It a monstrous problem. I have no doubt that the case will generate over 10,000 pages of documentation of one sort or another. That's just how slow the wheels of justice turn.:errr::dubiety:

Yeah! Sound like a great waist of tax payers dollars (and paper). But then again if it was a nobody like you or me there's no way it would take that long... would it? I've heard that jurys may take a week or two to hand down sentences but thats mostly life or death sentences from what I remember.

The judge set the date for the sentencing this far out (in December, if I recall correctly) because he wants to see what Vick will do over the next few months while he's under public scrutiny: if he misbehaves, he'll have longer to think about his actions.

Well it's amazing how fast he's dropped out of the spot light now. Guess he's laying low becasue I know alot of people are mad and maybe even be after him for what he's done.

[jeriddian]

No. No bribe. It's just how glutted the judicial system is. it takes that long to go through all the different motions, appeals, paperwork, red tape. It a monstrous problem. I have no doubt that the case will generate over 10,000 pages of documentation of one sort or another. That's just how slow the wheels of justice turn.:errr::dubiety:

Yeah! Sound like a great waist of tax payers dollars (and paper). But then again if it was a nobody like you or me there's no way it would take that long... would it? I've heard that jurys may take a week or two to hand down sentences but thats mostly life or death sentences from what I remember.

The judge set the date for the sentencing this far out (in December, if I recall correctly) because he wants to see what Vick will do over the next few months while he's under public scrutiny: if he misbehaves, he'll have longer to think about his actions.

Well it's amazing how fast he's dropped out of the spot light now. Guess he's laying low becasue I know alot of people are mad and maybe even be after him for what he's done.

I have no doubt right now that he wants to be as far away from the public eye as possible, and for as long as possible for the moment.

[cpneb]

No. No bribe. It's just how glutted the judicial system is. it takes that long to go through all the different motions, appeals, paperwork, red tape. It a monstrous problem. I have no doubt that the case will generate over 10,000 pages of documentation of one sort or another. That's just how slow the wheels of justice turn.:errr::dubiety:

Yeah! Sound like a great waist of tax payers dollars (and paper). But then again if it was a nobody like you or me there's no way it would take that long... would it? I've heard that jurys may take a week or two to hand down sentences but thats mostly life or death sentences from what I remember.

The judge set the date for the sentencing this far out (in December, if I recall correctly) because he wants to see what Vick will do over the next few months while he's under public scrutiny: if he misbehaves, he'll have longer to think about his actions.

Well it's amazing how fast he's dropped out of the spot light now. Guess he's laying low becasue I know alot of people are mad and maybe even be after him for what he's done.

If you aren't in the spotlight anymore, it's easier to meet the judge's concerns and possibly reduce your sentence. Besides, he's unemployed and has no active income (all contracts cancelled), so why would the press want to talk to him? He has no interest to the media until we get close to sentencing date....