Joss Possible - redhead or brunette?

[NinjaNaco]

Reading cpneb's "Blue Eyes, Shining," I noticed a detail the seemed to strike out at me - his description of Joss as a redhead.

Why did I notice this? Because to me, it seems that Joss is a brunette.

Looking at some screencaps, it seems Kim's Montanan cousin has something of reddish-brown hair, meaning either interpretation might be valid?

So what do you think? Methinks this might be another one of the Great Mysteries/Debates of Kim Possible? (Mrs. Dr. P's name, what Shego keeps in her pocket and now this .... ;) )

[Mike_Industries]

Looking at the screen caps I would say she is more of a brunette. However, she does have a hint of red in her hair, and alot of writers over on ff.net give her a red hair description.

So, I would say she has a darker red hair composition. (Compared to Kim)

Cp, buddy, you just got mentioned! How does it feel? (lol)

[GoTeamGirl]

I think it's just reddish-brown hair. It looks more brown than red, so saying she's a brunette is pretty accurate.

[cpneb]

I think it's just reddish-brown hair. It looks more brown than red, so saying she's a brunette is pretty accurate.

Depending on the screen-caps you view, Joss is either a redhead, a reddish-brown brunette, or brownish-red.
Also, depending on the scree-caps, Joss has blue eyes, green eyes, greenish-blue, blueish-green, or ice-blue eyes.

Quality control aside, I went with what seemed to make sense to me, and what Wade's first impressions: a fiery-haired ice-blue-eyed young woman flying through the air on her rope gun who had, in one image, captured his heart forever.

That was my logic and understanding....
Also, as Wade learns throughout the JadeKimVerse stories, her hair must be red, given that her disposition (and temper!) is so much like Kim's!

Hope this helps, as you peek inside the mind of a writer (a frightening place to be, but I serve cookies on the tour).

[cpneb]

thank you for reading, NinjaNaco. I hope you like!

[Mike_Industries]

Really? Her eyes are that many different colors? I'm going to have to check on that myself.

[Commander Argus]

Since my copy of SatCD is on DVD, I've always gone by that, and with that she's got medium brown hair and turquoise eyes. What I have mentioned in my fics though is that when she was 15-16 she looked enough like Kim to be easily mistaken for her.

[Mike_Industries]

I think alot of people like the idea that Joss will look like Kim when she gets older, and I just happen to be one of those people.

[cpneb]

Since my copy of SatCD is on DVD, I've always gone by that, and with that she's got medium brown hair and turquoise eyes. What I have mentioned in my fics though is that when she was 15-16 she looked enough like Kim to be easily mistaken for her.

As Mike I can attest, it's a woman's perogative to change hern hair color, and that's drifted down in age range, I've seen in that nasty world we call 'real life,' down into the teens and tweens.

As I'm certain you've also notices, Commander, people's eye color changes, given attire, lighting, and age changes. Why, even Kim's green becomes more brilliant as she gets angrier with Ron (that's how he knows to head for the hills or become the distraction for her anger).

[Mike_Industries]

Since my copy of SatCD is on DVD, I've always gone by that, and with that she's got medium brown hair and turquoise eyes. What I have mentioned in my fics though is that when she was 15-16 she looked enough like Kim to be easily mistaken for her.

As Mike I can attest, it's a woman's perogative to change hern hair color, and that's drifted down in age range, I've seen in that nasty world we call 'real life,' down into the teens and tweens.

As I'm certain you've also notices, Commander, people's eye color changes, given attire, lighting, and age changes. Why, even Kim's green becomes more brilliant as she gets angrier with Ron (that's how he knows to head for the hills or become the distraction for her anger).

Now cp, where in the world would you get this idea at, that some how I know what a woman's perogative is for her to change hair color? :biggergrin:

Anyhoo, back on topic here, I've noticed Kim's eyes get brighter when she is happy or giving Ron that look. So cp, are you suggesting that Joss does the same thing?

[cpneb]

Since my copy of SatCD is on DVD, I've always gone by that, and with that she's got medium brown hair and turquoise eyes. What I have mentioned in my fics though is that when she was 15-16 she looked enough like Kim to be easily mistaken for her.

As Mike I can attest, it's a woman's perogative to change hern hair color, and that's drifted down in age range, I've seen in that nasty world we call 'real life,' down into the teens and tweens.

As I'm certain you've also notices, Commander, people's eye color changes, given attire, lighting, and age changes. Why, even Kim's green becomes more brilliant as she gets angrier with Ron (that's how he knows to head for the hills or become the distraction for her anger).

Now cp, where in the world would you get this idea at, that some how I know what a woman's perogative is for her to change hair color? :biggergrin:

Anyhoo, back on topic here, I've noticed Kim's eyes get brighter when she is happy or giving Ron that look. So cp, are you suggesting that Joss does the same thing?


Gee, I dunno: lucky guess? :innocent::harhar::thumbup:
She's a Possible, right? What do you think? This isn't limited to them: after 22 years, I've learned when to hold and when to fold and, even more importantly, when to RUN!

[TransWarpDrive]

I think Joss is a brunette. Her hair is clearly darker than Kim's; and it's closer in color to her father's (Uncle Slim). Slim's hair is brown, like Kim's dad. Kim gets her red hair from her mother's side of the family.

[cpneb]

I think Joss is a brunette. Her hair is clearly darker than Kim's; and it's closer in color to her father's (Uncle Slim). Slim's hair is brown, like Kim's dad. Kim gets her red hair from her mother's side of the family.

We don't know anything about Joss' mother, do we? :biggergrin:

In my JadeKimVerse, Slim's wife, Sheri Nicole Possible (who was killed), was a redhead....

[TransWarpDrive]

I think Joss is a brunette. Her hair is clearly darker than Kim's; and it's closer in color to her father's (Uncle Slim). Slim's hair is brown, like Kim's dad. Kim gets her red hair from her mother's side of the family.

We don't know anything about Joss' mother, do we? :biggergrin:

In my JadeKimVerse, Slim's wife, Sheri Nicole Possible (who was killed), was a redhead....
Okay; but we're talking about the "official" Kimverse here. The question is whether the KP Krew intended Joss to be a redhead or brunette.

[Mike_Industries]

Yeah but neb, if we just base it on what info the show gives to us, Slim's hair is brown, and for all we know, her mother's could be brown... But I'm still for the idea of Red/brown mix.

[cpneb]

I think Joss is a brunette. Her hair is clearly darker than Kim's; and it's closer in color to her father's (Uncle Slim). Slim's hair is brown, like Kim's dad. Kim gets her red hair from her mother's side of the family.

We don't know anything about Joss' mother, do we? :biggergrin:

In my JadeKimVerse, Slim's wife, Sheri Nicole Possible (who was killed), was a redhead....
Okay; but we're talking about the "official" Kimverse here. The question is whether the KP Krew intended Joss to be a redhead or brunette.

Sorry, the original question was in relation to my stories in the JadeKimVerse, I interpreted, which I have enclosed within the JadeKimVerse to differentiate it from the "pure" KimVerse from the show: you have to look at both of them in the same frame:

http://caps.kpfanworld.com/veiw_pic.php?av=201-300&ep=showdown_at_the_crooked_d&pic=0235.jpg

http://caps.kpfanworld.com/veiw_pic.php?av=301-400&ep=showdown_at_the_crooked_d&pic=0325.jpg

to see that there is, indeed, a darker shade of hair color on Joss. Is that a darker red or brown: that's up to interpretation. My interpretation was that it was a darker red, more red than brown, and that and the eye color reseach became part of the basis for my JadeKimVerse.

That, and the two questions that I have as an analyst by trade:
What happened to Joss' mom? and
Why won't Wade leave his room?

[jeriddian]

I always described her as darker redhead in my Fan Fic, myself.:)

[Mike_Industries]

See in an upcoming fic of mine (Keeping the majior details in wraps for now, gotta finish One Single Shot first) I have added Joss to the story, and I described her too as a dark red head. And I was actually going to ask over on ff.net this very same question, but I got beat!

[cpneb]

See in an upcoming fic of mine (Keeping the majior details in wraps for now, gotta finish One Single Shot first) I have added Joss to the story, and I described her too as a dark red head. And I was actually going to ask over on ff.net this very same question, but I got beat!

Great minds, and all that..I'm glad to see this much to-do over Joss (as is she!); this time last year, no one was interested in her, and it seemed that no one cared, to her!

I'm hoping for that same buzz to start up in another 6-8 months for The Girl in Blue (Sarah Janine Best, in the JadeKimVerse: she has no name in the KimVerse).

[Mike_Industries]

Great minds, and all that..I'm glad to see this much to-do over Joss (as is she!); this time last year, no one was interested in her, and it seemed that no one cared, to her!

You mean Joss wasn't a popular in fanfics before your fics neb? There you have it, I learned something new today.

[jeriddian]

Yeah, nebster has probably done more with her than anyone else. Even in my Fan FIc, she's a supporting character. Here, she's the main attraction.

[cpneb]

Yeah, nebster has probably done more with her than anyone else. Even in my Fan FIc, she's a supporting character. Here, she's the main attraction.

Thanks for noticing, jeriddian. The most annoying thing is that Joss is not listed as one of the characters as a selection option in the FF.net dropdown; as a result, I can't even tell you how many stories in which she's the main character. It's bad enough that, when you search Wade, you found fewer than 10 selections when I started last year out of over 3500 stories at that time; I decided to bump up that number single-handedly.

btw, 'nebster appears when I quote from someone who's quoted me: what's up with that, jeriddian? someone messin' with my mind?


Great minds, and all that..I'm glad to see this much to-do over Joss (as is she!); this time last year, no one was interested in her, and it seemed that no one cared, to her!

You mean Joss wasn't a popular in fanfics before your fics neb? There you have it, I learned something new today.

Joss is primarily a supporting character, if mentioned at all, in fics. I was not able to find one where she, and Wade, take a primary role throughout the stories, and I decided to change that. The result is nowhere near the readership of the pure K/R or KiGo 'shippers, but the readers I have seem to enjoy it, based on the numbers of reviews I've received over the past year.

To be honest, I expected, at most, no more than 50 reviews in a year and to have only about 5 stories, at the most. That's not the case: I don't have the market penetration of a captainkodak1 or Zaratan or Commander Argus, but I've got a good niche market of fans, and some have been rabid in their requests for more. The JadeKimVerse's relative popularity has even resulted in its own 'spinoff': the DefineHellVerse, a different view of the world if Drakken had finally gone 'over the edge' and done a few things differently with the 'Diablos gambit.'

[Mike_Industries]

Yeah, nebster has probably done more with her than anyone else. Even in my Fan FIc, she's a supporting character. Here, she's the main attraction.

btw, 'nebster appears when I quote from someone who's quoted me: what's up with that, jeriddian? someone messin' with my mind?


Great minds, and all that..I'm glad to see this much to-do over Joss (as is she!); this time last year, no one was interested in her, and it seemed that no one cared, to her!

You mean Joss wasn't a popular in fanfics before your fics neb? There you have it, I learned something new today.


Mwhahahaha! The name manipulation is all me! (Something I learned over at gamewinners) I mean, look at what I did up in the quotes! (yeah, I'm evil)

I'm glad Joss has become more popular with the KP community. Joss is one of my favorite characters, and I wanted to start a fic about her as the main character. I only have maybe half of one chapter done (Written in my notebook) but I am trying my best.

[campy]

Yeah, nebster has probably done more with her than anyone else. Even in my Fan FIc, she's a supporting character. Here, she's the main attraction.

btw, 'nebster appears when I quote from someone who's quoted me: what's up with that, jeriddian? someone messin' with my mind?


Great minds, and all that..I'm glad to see this much to-do over Joss (as is she!); this time last year, no one was interested in her, and it seemed that no one cared, to her!

You mean Joss wasn't a popular in fanfics before your fics neb? There you have it, I learned something new today.


Mwhahahaha! The name manipulation is all me! (Something I learned over at gamewinners) I mean, look at what I did up in the quotes! (yeah, I'm evil)Careful there, Mike_Industries. "The Big J" is what Tara's ex-boyfriend Jason calls himself in my fanfiction and jeriddian's sequel to same. And he's not a nice guy. Our admin may not like being called that. :laugh:

[Mike_Industries]

Yeah, nebster has probably done more with her than anyone else. Even in my Fan FIc, she's a supporting character. Here, she's the main attraction.

btw, 'nebster appears when I quote from someone who's quoted me: what's up with that, jeriddian? someone messin' with my mind?


Great minds, and all that..I'm glad to see this much to-do over Joss (as is she!); this time last year, no one was interested in her, and it seemed that no one cared, to her!

You mean Joss wasn't a popular in fanfics before your fics neb? There you have it, I learned something new today.


Mwhahahaha! The name manipulation is all me! (Something I learned over at gamewinners) I mean, look at what I did up in the quotes! (yeah, I'm evil)Careful there, Mike_Industries. "The Big J" is what Tara's ex-boyfriend Jason calls himself in my fanfiction and jeriddian's sequel to same. And he's not a nice guy. Our admin may not like being called that. :laugh:

Do you think maybe I know this? :biggergrin: I'm sorry guys, but it was fun when I did it, but I don't do it often, so don't worry.

[jeriddian]

btw, 'nebster appears when I quote from someone who's quoted me: what's up with that, jeriddian? someone messin' with my mind?'

Nah...:laugh:.....I just think it's a cool nickname.

Careful there, Mike_Industries. "The Big J" is what Tara's ex-boyfriend Jason calls himself in my fanfiction and jeriddian's sequel to same. And he's not a nice guy. Our admin may not like being called that. :laugh:

No Big!.:D, although Jos is entirely welcome to the title if she wants it (probably not):P. Of course there is also Jessica.......(as the admin ducks to avoid being pelted by a certain BC colors clad cheerleader........:P)

[cpneb]

btw, 'nebster appears when I quote from someone who's quoted me: what's up with that, jeriddian? someone messin' with my mind?'

Nah...:laugh:.....I just think it's a cool nickname.

Careful there, Mike_Industries. "The Big J" is what Tara's ex-boyfriend Jason calls himself in my fanfiction and jeriddian's sequel to same. And he's not a nice guy. Our admin may not like being called that. :laugh:

No Big!.:D, although Jos is entirely welcome to the title if she wants it (probably not):P. Of course there is also Jessica.......(as the admin ducks to avoid being pelted by a certain BC colors clad cheerleader........:P)

'nebster, is way better than 'nebulizer, so i can't complain, jerridian. I didn't realized we could do this...it leaves open all sorts of 'Possibilities,' does it not?

And, Joss won't go for "The Big J:" too droll. She prefers 'Queen Jocelyn the First' or (don't tell her I told you) 'Sweet Tea.' It's part of the JadeKimVerse back story: while in London when she was very young, she loved tea time, and the cubes of sugar...she wanted 'sweet tea' every time, and it stuck with her Mom and Slim. She'll tell you she hates it, but it reminds her of her mother, so she really likes it.

[Mike_Industries]

btw, 'nebster appears when I quote from someone who's quoted me: what's up with that, jeriddian? someone messin' with my mind?'

Nah...:laugh:.....I just think it's a cool nickname.

Careful there, Mike_Industries. "The Big J" is what Tara's ex-boyfriend Jason calls himself in my fanfiction and jeriddian's sequel to same. And he's not a nice guy. Our admin may not like being called that. :laugh:

No Big!.:D, although Jos is entirely welcome to the title if she wants it (probably not):P. Of course there is also Jessica.......(as the admin ducks to avoid being pelted by a certain BC colors clad cheerleader........:P)

'nebster, is way better than 'nebulizer, so i can't complain, jerridian. I didn't realized we could do this...it leaves open all sorts of 'Possibilities,' does it not?

And, Joss won't go for "The Big J:" too droll. She prefers 'Queen Jocelyn the First' or (don't tell her I told you) 'Sweet Tea.' It's part of the JadeKimVerse back story: while in London when she was very young, she loved tea time, and the cubes of sugar...she wanted 'sweet tea' every time, and it stuck with her Mom and Slim. She'll tell you she hates it, but it reminds her of her mother, so she really likes it.

Aww Man, I really like Big J! Queen Jocelyn the First? Okay, that I can believe. Some where along the line, I knew Nebster was going to pull sweet tea out of his hat.

[campy]

No Big!.:D, although Jos is entirely welcome to the title if she wants it (probably not):P. Of course there is also Jessica.......(as the admin ducks to avoid being pelted by a certain BC colors clad cheerleader........:P)Jess doesn't mind nicknames, as long as you don't call her "Freckles," "The Other Blonde," or the one she had freshman year that I'm afraid even to type out here. It rhymes with "Blat Crested."

[Mike_Industries]

Jess doesn't mind nicknames, as long as you don't call her "Freckles," "The Other Blonde," or the one she had freshman year that I'm afraid even to type out here. It rhymes with "Blat Crested."

Bat Nested?

Mat Bested?

Nat Infested?

Oh I know what it is now...How silly of me! It's:

Cat Tested!



No, Well I could go for one more...

Brat digested!

No?

I give up...Unless...

EDIT: How old is Joss in the KPverse? Is She 10? I can't remember...

[lunchmeat]

Her hair color, and eye color, seemed to vary during different parts of the episode. I am not sure whether it is just my TV set or the way it was done in the animation. I sort of pictured her with dark red hair, kind of like the coat on a Morgan horse. A friend of mine has hair like that and it's quite striking.

Kim seems more on the medium to lighter portion of the scale for red hair, while her mother is pretty solidly in the middle. As was mentioned lighting, background, clothing and how the hair is worn will influence it's appearance.

[cpneb]

Her hair color, and eye color, seemed to vary during different parts of the episode. I am not sure whether it is just my TV set or the way it was done in the animation. I sort of pictured her with dark red hair, kind of like the coat on a Morgan horse. A friend of mine has hair like that and it's quite striking.

Kim seems more on the medium to lighter portion of the scale for red hair, while her mother is pretty solidly in the middle. As was mentioned lighting, background, clothing and how the hair is worn will influence it's appearance.

It's not your TV; it's the animation. From an earlier thread, I wrote about Joss (I had to do this analysis 'old-school' watch the episode real-time and take quick notes, but I went back and validated this using wallaceb's screencaps):


Depending on the screen-caps you view, Joss is either a redhead, a reddish-brown brunette, or brownish-red.
Also, depending on the screen-caps, Joss has blue eyes, green eyes, greenish-blue, blueish-green, or ice-blue eyes.
My opinion is that she received no special review as she was a one-time character: a 'speaking throwaway,' so to speak, and would never re-appear. They never took into account crazed FanFiction writers, like m'oi.

Quality control aside, I went with what seemed to make sense to me, and what Wade's first impressions: a fiery-haired ice-blue-eyed young woman flying through the air on her rope gun who had, in one image, captured his heart, forever.

That was my logic and understanding....
Also, as Wade learns throughout the JadeKimVerse stories, her hair must be red, given that her disposition (and temper!) is so much like Kim's!

Hope this helps, as you peek inside the mind of a writer (a frightening place to be, but I serve cookies on the tour).

Kim, as the protagonist, as well as Mrs. Dr. P, got massive scrutiny on almost everything; they did miss on the navals, though, and finally dropped that detail in Season 4 (except in the opening credits).

[Mike_Industries]

My BFGF has hair about the same color as Kim's... But her mom's is more of a darker red, Kinda Like Joss...

:alumnus:You just got learned!

[cpneb]

My BFGF has hair about the same color as Kim's... But her mom's is more of a darker red, Kinda Like Joss...

:alumnus:You just got learned!

:eek:('neb-meister)

I'm not jellin', Mike! I am NOT jellin'!

ok, I am jellin'...a bit. Mike. you have to be the luckiest
man in the world!

My congratulation to you, sir :biggergrin:, and my condolences to Ash :innocent: :biggergrin:!

[Mike_Industries]

well she and I thank you!!

And yes I am the luckiest guy on earth...

But seriously, why would You be jelling Neb? You got a wife of 22 years!

[cpneb]

well she and I thank you!!

And yes I am the luckiest guy on earth...

But seriously, why would You be jelling Neb? You got a wife of 22 years!

My wife, before we were married, gave me an unlimited 'looking' license. Sampling was verboten, however, though; it would be punished by ... can you say Lorena?

She, to this day, enjoys mens' rear ends, as does my daughter: 9/11 for them gave them unlimited viewing of firemen, and they could tell you where the best fireman rear was in the entire D/FW Metroplex.

That understanding has allowed us to make it this long, especially with the guys that hit on her all the time over the last 23 years, even while we were dating and engaged.

[Mike_Industries]

well she and I thank you!!

And yes I am the luckiest guy on earth...

But seriously, why would You be jelling Neb? You got a wife of 22 years!

My wife, before we were married, gave me an unlimited 'looking' license. Sampling was verboten, however, though; it would be punished by ... can you say Lorena?

She, to this day, enjoys mens' rear ends, as does my daughter: 9/11 for them gave them unlimited viewing of firemen, and they could tell you where the best fireman rear was in the entire D/FW Metroplex.

That understanding has allowed us to make it this long, especially with the guys that hit on her all the time over the last 23 years, even while we were dating and engaged.

Haha! Don't all women like to look at other men, even when they are commited........

I just got kissed...I'm the only man Ash will ever look at from now on....

For some reason I doubt it...:harhar:

I just got slapped:scared:

:alumnus: I just got learned

[cpneb]

well she and I thank you!!

And yes I am the luckiest guy on earth...

But seriously, why would You be jelling Neb? You got a wife of 22 years!

My wife, before we were married, gave me an unlimited 'looking' license. Sampling was verboten, however, though; it would be punished by ... can you say Lorena?

She, to this day, enjoys mens' rear ends, as does my daughter: 9/11 for them gave them unlimited viewing of firemen, and they could tell you where the best fireman rear was in the entire D/FW Metroplex.

That understanding has allowed us to make it this long, especially with the guys that hit on her all the time over the last 23 years, even while we were dating and engaged.

...well, I must also admit, in the interest of full disclosure, I have always loved redheads, ever since a certain young French-horn player in Jr. High (sigh..fond memories).

Now you known why I love working with Joss and Kim.

well, heck, it's redheads, brunettes, blondes, black hair, brown hair, hair-removed: heck, I jus' like all women!

[cpneb]

Haha! Don't all women like to look at other men, even when they are commited........

I just got kissed...I'm the only man Ash will ever look at from now on....

For some reason I doubt it...:harhar:

I just got slapped:scared:

:alumnus: I just got learned

Don't hurt him, Ash: the PDP is a much better punishment!

[Mike_Industries]

Haha! Don't all women like to look at other men, even when they are commited........

I just got kissed...I'm the only man Ash will ever look at from now on....

For some reason I doubt it...:harhar:

I just got slapped:scared:

:alumnus: I just got learned

Don't hurt him, Ash: the PDP is a much better punishment!

Will you quit giving her ideas? man, I'm really in for it now. Thanks alot nebster... I hate punishments. Grrrrr... Oh no, there she goes... you happy now?