Which Finale Was better?

[Cloud23465]

I wanna hear which fanale you thought was better... So The Drama Or Graduation... and if you feel like putting what the reason was... I'd love to read it.

Graduation was way better for me... StD ended with K/R getting together but that was it... We never knew how it would work out. Ron getting to step up and save the world was also a plus. I'm not taking anything away from Kim, but we know she can do it... and now we know Ron can too. :biggergrin:

[Fireand'chutes77]

Graduation, hands down.

The only thing "So the Drama" had on "Graduation" was length. Give "Grad" another 15 minutes - it still would have been crammed full - and it would be flat-out.

(Seeing all the old KP standbys picked off one-by-one felt a bit like they were breaking fingers, though... :cry:

House... Snap.... School... Crackle.... Scooter... Pop......)

[Cloud23465]

Graduation, hands down.

The only thing "So the Drama" had on "Graduation" was length. Give "Grad" another 15 minutes - it still would have been crammed full - and it would be flat-out.

(Seeing all the old KP standbys picked off one-by-one felt a bit like they were breaking fingers, though... :cry:

House... Snap.... School... Crackle.... Scooter... Pop......)

We should of had more and it could of been a 3 parter... I was looking at the one half episode bit or the two 12 minute episodes... they would normally be a part A and part B but it counted and one episode total... we did get a bit jipped... but it's what it is and we can't change it.:dubiety:

[canuck31003]

I liked both, but I'd pick Graduation over StD if my criterion is which one am I likely to re-watch most often.

StD was definitely more cinematic in that I thought it had more drama, intricate plot/evil plan, and a satisfying romance. The thing is, this grand scope is also what makes me put it 2nd to Graduation.

What I tend to like in a series finale is follow though on what made the series great, and a nod to fans. As a series finale I think Graduation is more typical of a KP episode--snappy dialog, humour, action and Ron-Kim interaction, cameos of past characters and references to previous episodes were a satisfying acknowledgment of the entire 4 seasons.

While StD has all these things, too, StD also had a heavy dose of romantic angst (atypical) mixed in which makes me more likely to re-watch Graduation than StD; Graduation has the 'ship without the angst.

Finally, being shorter, Graduation didn't seem to drag at some points like I thought StD did.

My two cents.

[GoTeamGirl]

Graduation. To me, it seemed to flow better and felt very right for a KP ending, tying up a lot of loose ends and leaving just the right ones open.

[jeriddian]

I loved StD, but there's no question that Graduation was better. StD did not really have that certain finality for the series. It was more like a transition stage. Graduation was much better as resolving the underlying conflicts and storylines altogether.

[TransWarpDrive]

Graduation. To me, it seemed to flow better and felt very right for a KP ending, tying up a lot of loose ends and leaving just the right ones open.
I must agree with GoTeamGirl here. While "Graduation" did conclude the series, it had an "open-ended" feeling to it - while some plotlines were resolved, others were not - providing opportunities for storylines in any potential KP shows or movies in the future. I felt like we were just taking our leave of Kim & Ron for a while; with the possibility left open for us to drop in again some day to catch up with them. It was a satisfying series finale that left me smiling.
Although I also agree with 'chutes when he says:
(Seeing all the old KP standbys picked off one-by-one felt a bit like they were breaking fingers, though...

House... Snap.... School... Crackle.... Scooter... Pop......)
I was also dismayed by all the destruction in Middleton - especially the Possible house, Pandaroo, and Ron's scooter. It almost felt like I was watching my own prized possessions being destroyed... :cry:

[Not The CrimpMaster]

I'm going to have to say I like So the Drama better. So the Drama was more satisfying for me in the sense that it was more epic and cinematic, and the ending seemed to pack more of a punch. Graduation had less angst and seemed more light-hearted, and had the potential to beat out StD hands down with its fun factor, action, and the all-important humor factor had the KP crew opted to make it a three-parter. Although StD dragged slightly, the flip side is that Graduation lacked transition. It just felt like they were blasting through it, more like an extended episode than a movie. The real killer was length.

Don't get me wrong, I love Graduation, I just don't feel that it was all it could have been.

[TheGreenMagic]

Put me down for Graduation being my favorite of the two (I know, I know... plot twist of the year). I kind of liked the how it was fairly open ended in a lot of respects. Doesn't quite beat you over the head that it's the end. Didn't hurt that Drakken and Shego got much happier endings this time around.

[Monstrorrendinformingens]

Graduation had the speed, the fun, the "say good bye to all your friends" (except for some), the successful Drakken. But it also had these kindof "out of the air" threat, this "when the aliens come, the earthlings unite" and this "flying to the moon in an open rocket car just for the imagery". Oh yes, Ron rocked after a long period of being mainly funny, there was a little of soft-Shego. But throughout the whole thing (and most of S4) I couldn't get rid of the feeling that I might know quite exactly who they wrote this line or that scene for. That kinda spoiled it for me. Also the "let's throw the villains into their crashing spacecraft thereby causing a gigantic explosion which allows us not to care about any of them (villains and craft) anymore" ending didn't really satisfy me.
I think StD delivered a more, well maybe "delicate" is the right word, maybe "refined" (not my language, you know), ending. Getting Kim and Ron together after three seasons was a nice way to add the certain quantum of impossibility to the overall story that in my eyes would have kicked it into the area of "well, Disney". And I still think S4 was much more "well, Disney" than one to three. Some scenes reminded me of the old joke about German versions of violent computer games:
*Battle sounds coming out of the computer*
"Oh, is this the new shooter?" *machine gun sound* "Yep."
"German version?"
*Voice on the speaker*: Sir, you can't bleed here, you're making everything green! "Yep."

After all I like both endings, just that when it was the only ending, StD felt better to me. Ron catching the ninjas out of the air and freeing Nakazumi by accident just gave me more than Ron glowing like a Dragonball transformer. In my eyes StD had the higher Ron Factor while Graduation did a little too much fan service.

[AinoMinako]

I preferred "Graduation". "StD" felt off, in a way. I think it was the Kim/Ron part, as it seemed to be more of a rebound thing than a true love thing. And it was too angsty. I really liked both of them, though.

[Monstrorrendinformingens]

I liked the reboundness. It's going along with my "girls are used to exhausting their range of chances" theory.:harhar:
I think it takes a lot for a girl to get settled with a guy of Ron's incertain qualities. And that worked perfectly with S3 and StD.

[TransWarpDrive]

Graduation had the speed, the fun, the "say good bye to all your friends" (except for some), the successful Drakken. But it also had...this "flying to the moon in an open rocket car just for the imagery"...
Actually, Kim and Ron weren't supposed to be flying to the moon. They were just flying through Earth's atmosphere in her car, appearing smaller the further away from the camera they got (in accordance with the laws of perspective) until they vanished. The animators just used the moon as a backdrop to make it seem like Kim and Ron were "riding off into the sunset," like in many old Western movies.
I rather liked that scene, myself. It was a wonderful parting shot of our two heroes.

[Fireand'chutes77]

Graduation had the speed, the fun, the "say good bye to all your friends" (except for some), the successful Drakken. But it also had...this "flying to the moon in an open rocket car just for the imagery"...
Actually, Kim and Ron weren't supposed to be flying to the moon. They were just flying through Earth's atmosphere in her car, appearing smaller the further away from the camera they got (in accordance with the laws of perspective) until they vanished.
Oh, sure, if you wanna get all technical about it. :P

But, yes, I agree it was a very nice ending. Certainly had a happier feeling to it than "So the Drama." As CCR's "Could It Be" rolled over the ending credits and the pictures, I felt myself getting misty-eyed. In Graduation, as the screen cut to black, I felt a kind of sad joy.

"Cry not because it's over. Smile because it happened."

[cpneb]

Graduation had the speed, the fun, the "say good bye to all your friends" (except for some), the successful Drakken. But it also had...this "flying to the moon in an open rocket car just for the imagery"...
Actually, Kim and Ron weren't supposed to be flying to the moon. They were just flying through Earth's atmosphere in her car, appearing smaller the further away from the camera they got (in accordance with the laws of perspective) until they vanished.
Oh, sure, if you wanna get all technical about it. :P

But, yes, I agree it was a very nice ending. Certainly had a happier feeling to it than "So the Drama." As CCR's "Could It Be" rolled over the ending credits and the pictures, I felt myself getting misty-eyed. In Graduation, as the screen cut to black, I felt a kind of sad joy.

"Cry not because it's over. Smile because it happened."

I agree with you, Fireand'chutes77, as shocking as that might sound
:biggergrin: I liked both endings for different reasons, and disliked them for the same: different reasons.

As Shamu said so wisely:

Oh, Whale!

[Monstrorrendinformingens]

...*quietly to myself* I knew they weren't flying to the moon...
:P
Well, I guess I know the effects in play. But it still doesn't do the same to me as the StD ending.
I just remember how I once watched StD outside on a laptop. It is funny when the "camera" turns to the stars and you can look up into a clear night sky.:innocent:

[kyojikasshu]

http://caps.kpfanworld.com/images/graduation2/1099.jpg
Fly me to the moon, and let me play among the stars,
Let me see what spring is like on Jupiter and Mars...
:laugh:

Ultimately, I have to go with "Graduation". Nothing so much against So the Drama (aside from the fact that its abbreviation feels dirty...), but that's just the way I feel about it.

[Mike_Industries]

My favorite has to be StD... I happen to be a fan. I preffer it just because it felt more like an ending to me. And Ron working through his feelings reminded me so much of myself at the time... I relate in so many ways to him, its not even funny.

Drakken had finally came up with a good plan, and it would have worked, untill my boy, Ron, did his thing... He motivated Kim. Ron even got Drakken to finally say his name.. that in itself was a great moment.

Now excuse me while I go do what no man should ever have to do: Talk about his feelings...

[Monstrorrendinformingens]

Hmm, maybe it's the point that through StD Ron suffers so much that one actually comes to think: "Yes, he is needing the girl he would never get in reality more than I did back in the day."
Well, today I would rather say ":harhar:, poor Ronny likes trouble!"
:laugh:

[lunchmeat]

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Fly me to the moon, and let me play among the stars,
Let me see what spring is like on Jupiter and Mars...[/CENTER]
:laugh:

Ultimately, I have to go with "Graduation". Nothing so much against So the Drama (aside from the fact that its abbreviation feels dirty...), but that's just the way I feel about it.

Arrgh, Space Cowboys flashback (great movie), hopefully Kim and ron won't have the same experience...

[Cloud23465]

I must say that just by taking a glance (i'll do an offical count later) but, graduation is getting the majority of the votes.

[Monstrorrendinformingens]

Arrgh, Space Cowboys flashback (great movie), hopefully Kim and ron won't have the same experience...

I don't remember seeing all too much Russians on KP. Actually I can't remember one single. Didn't Electronique have quite an Eastern accent?
Just asking because you need Russians to have terrible nuke-satellites to fix.:D And old actors of course.:biggergrin:

Well, one man one vote. Too bad I'm not that one man.:errr:

[campy]

I don't remember seeing all too much Russians on KP. Actually I can't remember one single. Didn't Electronique have quite an Eastern accent?Well, Kim was always Russian off to some mission. Does that count? :laugh:

[Monstrorrendinformingens]

Where's that drum smilie if we need it?:laugh:

[campy]

I'm going to vote for "Graduation" too. It's good all the way through. StD drags too much after the boffo opening and doesn't get going until near the end.

[rufus_forever]

So the Drama, hands down. With all due respect to the writers of Graduation, So the Drama had a much more developed script (probably because Mark and Bob had more time to write it and it sat "in the can" for so long) and flowed much more smoothly from beginning to end. Also, Rough Draft did all the animation for So the Drama, where as they only did portions of Graduation. The mixing up of the two animation studio's work (Rough Draft and Starburst) in Graduation might have been necessary for budget and scheduling reasons, but it's very noticeable in places.

Graduation has some strong points (i.e., Ron's stepping up, the inclusion of some characters who were left out of So the Drama, etc.). Maybe if it had had the same length, been written in a similar manner and had had the animation done by Rough Draft entirely I'd feel differently.

As is, though, my vote is for So the Drama.

[lunchmeat]

That's something I was wondering about, as far as the artwork in Graduation went, there were some parts in the second half the characters seemed to have a pastel appearance. I'm curious about whether this was a function of Starburst doing the animation, it seems to me that their work had a softer feel to it than does Rough Draft, who seem to have brighter, more contrasting colors.

[jeriddian]

That's something I was wondering about, as far as the artwork in Graduation went, there were some parts in the second half the characters seemed to have a pastel appearance. I'm curious about whether this was a function of Starburst doing the animation, it seems to me that their work had a softer feel to it than does Rough Draft, who seem to have brighter, more contrasting colors.


Hmmm.....I didn't notice that.:hmm: I'll have to look next time I watch.......

[GoTeamGirl]

I never really thought about it from the animation aspect. In that sense, I liked StD's animation style better. Not that Graduation's was bad, but StD just had really good animation.

[Cloud23465]

So the Drama 4 Votes
Not The CrimpMaster
Monstrorrendinformingens
Mike_Industries
rufus_forever

Graduation 10 Votes
Fireand'chutes
Cloud
canuck
GoTeamGirl
jeriddian
TransWarpDrive
TheGreenMagic
AinoMinako
Rob
campy

I reviewed the post and posted where the voters voted... If i'm wrong please correct me but Graduation is the clear cut popular ending right now. If you wanna put your vote in just say which one you liked better and I'll update it.